Downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 – SMOKING “GUN”, NOT A MISSILE

 

 

Photo: NewAntarctica.com

By John Esquire, for SyrPer

 

Whether it was a rush to judgment or a false flag, the official line from Washington was that the downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 was the result of a Russian-made BUK anti-aircraft missile fired by Ukrainian rebels, perhaps even aided by Russian advisers.

Last evening on the CBC (Canadian) news program, the “National”, Michael Bociurkiw, a Canadian member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was interviewed.  Bociurkiw (himself of Ukrainian descent) was one of the very first to visit the crash site and conduct an inspection of the wreckage.  He has been at the site ever since.  What Bociurkiw described in the interview flatly rejects the generally accepted version of Flight MH-17’s demise.  When asked if he saw anything which suggested how Flight MH-17 was destroyed, Bociurkiw offered this startling revelation:

“There have (sic) been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with almost looks like machine gun fire, very, very strong machine gun fire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else.  We have been asked, for example, have we seen any examples of missile.  Well, no we haven’t.  That’s the answer”.

The pieces of the fuselage were shown on the broadcast and contain the unmistakable pattern of metal penetrated by multiple projectiles in a dense pattern; the same type of metal distortion you see on Stop signs that have taken pots shots from an amused passerby.

How could machine gun fire from the ground reach 33,000 feet?  What if it was not from the ground, but from the air instead?  Since the downing of MH-17, the Russian Defense Ministry has documented that a Ukrainian government fighter jet was accelerating rapidly toward MH-17 shortly before it crashed.  (Awkward Questions for US-Ukraine – Lew Rockwell.com)  The coup leaders in Kiev have never refuted that claim.

At the risk of a bad pun, it appears that Bociurkiw’s eyewitness version of events will shoot more holes in Washington’s story line and may provide a smoking gun where only a missile was previously considered.

 

John Esquire.

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Canthama
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That line of investigation would certainly be corroborated with the truth from the black box since pilots would have few secs to say some words. Lets see whether the BB will say what NATO wants or the truth….

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C, the Brits have the black boxes, so we’ll get no truth out of the entire event from any NATO government, or their hangers on. Wish I thought that the chances of truth were better than ‘none’ or ‘less than none’.

cranialnerve
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There’ll be a fakes pilot conversation, like
“Look, there’s a ground-to-air missile coming to deliberately shoot us poor innocents down, and it’s clearly coming from evil Russia !
Oh, it seems to have been hand-signed by Putin ! Why the hate, we have children on board – those Kremlin barbarians are inhuman !
Oh, oh, we’re so fucked ! Aaaargglll…”
Then they will tell us those round holes were faked by the rebels after the crash, and all our friends and neighbours will of course totally believe it, and then go shopping to buy themselves a present.
Never forget who we are.

tommytcg
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..not really. They would need to press the intercom switch on the ‘yoke’ to be heard and recorded.

The Thylacine
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The Buk red herring is defunct. There is only the Russians’ satellite footage to indicate any kind of missile, and no witness saw or photographed a credible trail from the ground. So, unless VeteransToday’s Gordon Duff is on the money regardfing a loaner Isralili F-15 flying out of Azerbaijan, htat leaves the Ukie Air force’s Su-25s which shadowed MH17. Two of them skulked behind the plane all the way across Ukraine airspace, and witnesses said the plane was hit, then did a 1280 degree turn before crashing, ewither evading, or more likely out of control, with dead pilots. See the… Read more »
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Isn’t that picture above opposed to that bomb story?

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Russische Föderation offizielle Website mit Fakten über Ukraine Krieg: http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8!OpenDocument Weise Buch N:1 mit Fakten auf Englisch: http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8/$FILE/White%20Book-2.pdf Weise Buch N:2 http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8/$FILE/White%20Book.pdf Verteidigung Ministerium RF mit Fakten über Malaisen Flugzeug von 21.07.14: http://go.mail.ru/search_video?q=%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8B%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%8B%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B5#s=Youtube&sig=84652a0c1a&d=3842339102 Präsident RF Putin über Krieg in der Ukraine: http://go.mail.ru/search_video?q=%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD+%D0%BE+%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5+%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5#s=Youtube&sig=4a59c9133a&d=2583842445 Präsident RF spricht (übersetzt): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVQsoIcevLI Präsident RF über Krim, spricht zur USA und Europa Volk (übersetzt) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rVETucNhOY Putin in Bundestag spricht über Deutsch-Russisch Beziehungen und die Liebe zur Deutschland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFhpsNtPKcI Ukrainer spricht über Russen: „wir sind Bruder, glauben sie nicht, was in Medien steht“: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv8XiGPwPck und diese Menschen für euch Separatisten und Terroristen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKyNT24WtY Klitschko Stellungnahme zur… Read more »
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They have got their excuse in early over this they will say the evidence has been tampered with or it was a tragic accident
There’s trouble now between Azerbijan and Armenia i know there’s a history between the 2 and it looks like it’s repeating itself War in Europe is looking to extend beyond the Ukraine the Country’s in a terrible state They were hoping that rampant Fascism would conquer all, it won’t, their army is inept so is their Zionist leadership

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Top 100 hits by the Syrian Army
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=97e_1406903681

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Epic…

Dany the Fatso
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A posible downing of the plane by aircraft its far more cruel and macabre than a missile system attack……… and its quite obvious witch alllegiance those fighters have. Ukranian

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I wouldn’t put it past the Kiev coup imposed junta to have shot it down with one of their warplanes; after all, they had no hesitation in killing their own people to illegally seize power. The problem is that even if the facts are established beyond doubt on the basis of a genuine, objective and scientific investigation, the Western presstitue media will simply ignore any inconvenient truths and continue with the lies, smears and insinuations. By and large, the Western populace will as always soak up the lies and be manipulated by them. The level of hysteria towards Russia in… Read more »
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@Melik, I don’t personally know anyone who believes anything that rolls downhill from the Out House; There probably are still some out there who would buy a blivet, but I don’t know any of them.

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More pictures the mh17 downed from
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/sets/

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This is misguiding. The Su-25 was flying like at 6000m high, as far as i remember. That guy also said that he is not an expert at that matter. That plane was shotdown by a missile. The question is whether is was taken down by an air to air, or ground to air missile, cause we can presume that the “junta” did it. The federalist never possessed the means to take down a plane at that height. I favor the ground to air missile, because the difference in height and speed makes virtually impossible for a Su-25 to shotdown such… Read more »
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If an SU-25 has a ceiling of 18,000 feet, and its 30mm cannon have a range of 3 miles, (15,000 feet) and it was known to have been climbing steeply under the Malaysian, that adds up to 33,000 feet, even discounting an air-to-air missile with a range of 12 miles, (60,000 feet). MH17 was asked to drop to 31,000 feet — Why? And why was no trail reported by numerous ground observers?

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The description of Buk Missile System in Wikipedia says: “In general, the system identifies potential targets (radar), selects a particular target (command), fires a missile (launcher) at the target, and resupplies the system (logistics). The missiles require a radar lock to initially steer the missile to the target until the missile’s on-board radar system takes over to provide final course corrections. A proximity fuse aboard the missile determines when it will detonate, creating an expanding fragmentation pattern of missile components and warhead to intercept and destroy the target.” The least part says that the missile destroys the target by ist… Read more »
cranialnerve
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Not a pattern that looks like a typical machine cannon (3cm) volley. Not sure, but I think I read the warhead uses cube-like splinters, not round ones.

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This one is worst than hunain

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@Nobilitatus: The Russian presentation showed MH17 about 280 miles north of the safe corridor, and a Ukie Su25 approaching within missile range (for sure, they didn’t specify gun range), and the Su25 broke away at the same time MH17 lost speed. there were a couple of reports which stated that the right engine showed damage consistent with an air to air missile, and not ‘the ball bearing’ impact damage caused by the BUK M1. Maybe there are some folks out there who are fully familiar with the BUK M1, but I don’t see the additional expense of manufacturing cube shape… Read more »
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For ‘280 miles’, read ‘180 miles’.

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Do we still talk about the article above? Because even if MH17 was shot down by Buk missile there are obviously a number of stories that say it was the Ukrainian Army anyway. While so far the number of stories why the Gouvernment Army is guilty varies widely. So my guess is that there is interest to cover the people who actually did it by building up a couple of myths. Guessing the opposite there would be only one thing happened and it simply needs to proof it. But this is what the “western” side does at the moment, have… Read more »
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@nobilitatis: did not call you names and you’re free to post anything you want, but you know that I have right to comment your posts

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I stand for your right to comment anything. Freedom for everybody. But you did compare me with Hunain, didn’t you? And I did only base on facts.

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NO missile trail according to eyewitnesses.. by BBC. They SAW a fighter shoot it down. If SU24 can’t get up there what about US double-tail plane from Azerbajan as some have suggested.

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There were 2 other airlines in the vicinity, no comment from them. Also there was a NATO exercise taking place, which was to do with electronic jamming and spoofing radars and airplanes. I think the Ukraine command got fooled and shot the plane down, USA had AWACS planes, satellites, communication recorders. Why keep the data hidden, today The RF again contradicted what Ukraine and the ZNATO been saying the whole day, that evidence points to RF.

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Fooled by what into shooting it down for what reason ? Because it looked like Putin’s plane ? “Vicinity” is a flexible term. They don’t usually see each other, vicinity is 150 miles or something.

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False flags usually happen in the USA, UK and Europe when there is an “exercise” going on. Boston, Sandy Hoax, UK train bombing, Spanish train bombing and others. It gives them a backup story in case they get caught.

tommytcg
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So are you saying this is not a FF?

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There was a NATO exercise going on: Sea Breeze. It was concluded the same day MH17 got downed.

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My info is there was a Singapore Airlines flight close enough to MH17, so close they should have witnessed the shootdown.
My own glorious politicos have clammed up — so has Obongo. We all know why.

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Interesting that the nato exercise was there. Didn’t see it before. False flags.. 9/11, London. Boston take place during exercises of a similar nature. Intereting. Thanks Hans. I’m getting hell in the UK Telegraph for this, with the usual.. conspitacy theory, keep them to yourself screams from establishment shills.

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The BUK story is rubbish. BUK system missiles makes trails of white smoke that are visible for 12 to 15 miles. No witnesses reported missile smoke trails. Ukraine’s SBU tried to mislead Olga Ivshina, a reporter with the BBC’s Russian bureau, with a photo showing “traces” of the smoke. She found the exact location from the picture but found no evidence of a launch and no locals who had seen it. The BBC has since taken down this video, but it can be seen at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro. Witnesses in the video saw fighter aircraft, not missiles. A transcript of the video… Read more »
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As mentioned before, Haisenko is no aviaton expert. He is a writer about “economic history” who happened to be a simple pilot in his former life. And he “analysed” only internet pictures. If the only evidence bases on this that is very poor intelligence. Why not ask real experts?

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We will see who have done this. May that one burn.

tommytcg
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see my comment confirming an aerial shootdown.. however, it could well have been a US plane with a similar twin tail as the Sukhoi, that from an airbase.. say in Azerbajan, that base prepped for an Iran strike by Is-Ra-Hell.

The GPS may have been interfered with for MH to unknowingly stray into the kill zone. Other pilots flying then and there have been asked to comment.. if they too experienced anomalies.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111
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Also in a BBC interview near the crash site witnesses saw jet fighter intercepting MH17. Witnesses saw NO thick black smoke trail of a BUK.. that should have been there IF it were a BUK.

Russian radar confirmed jet fighter in vicinity of MH in 30min press conference of the Russian Airforce General.

Spanish Air Traffic Controller working in Kiev Tower confirmed fighter jet shootdown.

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Thanks John and Ziad, i have seen photo’s and i suspect it is bullet holes, most are way to perfectly round to be shrapnel, i also cannot tell what type of bullet, whether from a 20 or 30mm, but it sure looks like bullets to me either way.

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it does not matter , they have blamed Russia and thats all they wanted to prove to the world. Job completed and the matter will be closed.

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As mentioned before? Haisenko has not been mentioned before in this discussion. His expertise has not been mentioned before in this discussion. At this point the “real experts” are either mum or disclosing far less than they know. Who needs them? Do you need to research everything said or written by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to know for certain that the moon is not made out of Swiss cheese? We may not be able to determine exactly what happened without the experts, but we can easily determine what could not have happened. No smoke trail means no Buk missile.… Read more »
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And the Black Box results from Honest Brits, (Iraq, Dr Kelly London subway terrs, etc) .. , British law disallows witnesses and expert testimony outside the Air Accident Branch’s investigation. Under the High Court decision in 2013, an AAIB report is the final verdict in an air crash, even if compelling evidence to the contrary happens to surface. This institutional bias led Belgian stunt pilot Tony DeBruyn, whose testimony on his airshow crash was dismissed, to criticize the Branch for its “errors, omissions and is in generally biased on common beliefs and ‘pet’ subjects, which prevail within the AAIB and… Read more »
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When I read that the Malaysians handed the black boxes to the Dutch who handed them to the Brits I knew that the facts will never see the light of day. If the Dutch Safety Board had an ounce of integrity then the black box data would have been released long ago. I don’t mean their interpretation, I mean the raw data. It’ll never happen. The experts will release an official story that won’t pass the sniff test. It already smells.

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So you say that you are the real expert and no expert will ever tell the truth, only you. There may be no eyewitnesses at all because they would have to see something in 10 km height. And the place of explosion is far away from the place of shooting. The saying of Haisenko was mentioned before in a former blogpost-comment. He is called an expert that he is not. You will never know for certain that the moon is not made out of Swiss cheese. In that you will have to trust experts. To me you are not such… Read more »
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A mere 5 centuries ago you could ask all the experts and get the same answer – the earth is flat. I need no expert to know that the moon is not made out of Swiss cheese just as I need no expert to tell me that a troll who has nothing left but argumentum ad hominem is full of it.

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Paul Craig is one of my favorites, he lay down this piece in a very nice way, at the end of the day, do we want to die due to DC’s lies and provocation ? I good read to us all.

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/08/03/373872/time-russian-bear-showed-its-fangs/

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Warning. The media situation is rapidly getting worse. While being used to having Russia-uncritical comments censored in Der Spiegel (Germany) on a regular basis, that used to be an exception on the Independent (UK) forum. This is changing. The new tactic is to let through mildly Russia-defensive comments (which are then declared by the constantly present editor-“commenters” as “Russian troll Comments”. While the Russian Trolls were in the majority up to now (just people like us who didn’t like to be lied to), this is now changing, the majority of comments allowed must be by Washington Trolls. This is a… Read more »
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